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Bruce's relationship with Clark finally comes to a breaking point as the manor prepares for Wally's birthday in absentia.
(Thanks to
yazzle and
batfan_sarah for being sounding boards on this.)
Chapter Eight: Fidelity
The present
There weren't any more sightings of the mysterious new figure in Gotham for a week.
And Bruce ran out of excuses to turn Clark away.
He thought about what he didn't know about his city, how that fact unsettled him, personified her in his mind, in a way far more vivid than before. Gotham was like a fickle mistress, her arms hiding his prey from his sight for... too long.
A tangle with the Riddler, and tonight, with Bane. Two down... many more to go.
Batman had to call in Superman for it, as much as his pride rebelled at the thought, but with Robin and Nightwing in Bludhaven and Batgirl in Amherst, as she was often these days, it left him with few options in a fight that quickly became uneven.
Perhaps it was distraction, a preoccupation of the mind that clouded his judgement, but he'd found himself dodging blows and debris, unable to find a swift resolution in his favour, and was waking Clark from his sleep in Metropolis.
Clark had responded immediately, arrived in moments and put an even faster end to Bane's destruction of a loading dock on the harbour.
Bruce stood next to Clark, watching the special task force take Bane away in heavy bindings, locked away in the back of an armoured van. One by one, the police left in their convoy, flashing lights and voices fading until they were out of sight and left only stillness and the sound of waves lapping against wood.
"You're welcome," Clark finally said.
Bruce wanted to retort something along the lines of not needing his help, but didn't. He wasn't sure what to say to him at all. Talking had never been the strong point of their relationship, and it was even less so now.
"I believe Plastic Man is ready for consideration for League membership."
"I read the report, Bruce."
Clark wrapped an arm around Bruce's waist and flew up into the air. Sometimes Bruce didn't mind, enjoyed the distance from Earth and humanity, alone in the clouds with lips on his skin trying to kiss the pain away.
But tonight all he felt was the chill of the winter gusts and shivered.
"Us mere mortals aren't built for the sky."
Clark gave him a long look.
"So it's like that tonight, is it?"
"Just put me down, Clark."
Bruce was almost surprised when they descended again and he was set on the ground next to the Batmobile.
"I can't promise I won't be chasing you home," Clark said with a little grin, his hand lingering on Bruce's waist before it pulled away.
"I'd never deign to tell Superman what to do," Bruce deadpanned, and got a laugh in response.
"No, never."
Sure enough, Clark was following the Batmobile back towards Brisol. Bruce stopped short of the manor, pulling off to the side of the road and retracted the canopy.
There were too many things there, at home, too many thoughts, too many memories.
Clark landed on top of him, didn't give him a chance to shut out the wind blowing in on top of them, but Clark's cape kept out the cold. Clark's hands tracing his armour and the tongue curling in his mouth brought beads of sweat under his cowl and made his heart beat faster in his chest.
Having Clark was like sleeping with a god, being utterly surrounded and overpowered, without hope or a consideration of escape.
Wally's birthday was tomorrow night. He couldn't help but think this was... wrong somehow...
And then Clark's hands worked their way under his waistband and he stopped thinking anything.
Bruce bucked up against their grip, groaned and helped him undress, pulling off those blue tights as his utility belt landed in the passenger seat and their own reclined back, giving them more space to writhe against each other, once boots and tights were draped half-hazardly over the console.
Clark leaned down and licked a scar across Bruce's thigh, then traced another along his hip with his tongue, long and jagged, his favourite one to give attention.
"I could spend eternity tasting your skin," Clark breathed into his stomach, "I could dedicate my life to mapping it's uncharted land."
"I hope you never plan to write romance novels," Bruce retorted, then gasped as Clark licked his erection and took it into his mouth. "Oh god..."
He didn't know how long it was until Clark pulled away, looking down at him triumphantly, only that it left him near the point of begging in helpless desire.
"I want something from you first," Clark said in a low voice, sucking on his index finger, then reaching down with it, pushing it into him in shallow, slow motions that made Bruce moan through gritted teeth. "Yes, just like that."
The ripples of pleasure were laced with sharp pricks of pain, and Bruce clung to both, merely grunted when Clark, distracted, pushed on his hip too hard, grabbed him with bruising force as he flipped him onto his stomach. He didn't care. He wanted to feel it, feel everything.
To Clark, he was fragile as a wine glass, ready to shatter at the wrong movement, break if pushed too hard.
He curled against the leather seat and breathed raggedly into it, the smell of it filling his nose. He could feel Clark trying to be gentle and slow as he pushed in with a shudder and a sigh.
Groaned with each prolonged thrust, arched against the iron grip he was lost in.
"Harder, damnit," he growled, pressing his forehead against the leather.
Superman complied.
Took him, until the pleasure and pain washed together and he was screaming himself hoarse and was deafened by his own voice, his mind blank, his fingers numb in their grip on the seat.
Until he came roughly, pushing Clark into an orgasm that made him press Bruce's ribs dangerously in his hands, made it hard to breathe, made it seem all like a very secondary concern.
He didn't care.
Bruce just let sensations ebb and flow through him, let Clark drape himself and his cape over his body and kiss the back of his neck.
"MisterWayneIheardthescreamingand..."
Bruce pushed Clark roughly off of him, slammed his hand into his chest, which he instantly regretted, holding it in the other as it throbbed, still finding the presence of mind to keep himself covered.
Bart was looking down at him with his eyes so wide they threatened to pop right out of his head, his mouth hanging open dumbly.
They stared at each other for a long, tense moment, until Clark coughed uncomfortably.
"Bart, go home. Wait for me there." He didn't move, despite the measure of authority Bruce managed to find in his voice, raw as it was, until he spoke again, his voice more ragged and uncertain. "Please."
He felt a lump forming hard and sharp in his throat, and didn't dare speak again, but Bart nodded, his expression shifting too fast for Bruce to follow.
And then he was gone.
Bruce's expression was rigid as he pulled away from Clark, cursing the open canopy and Clark and ever doing any of this under his breath as he yanked his clothes back on and crawled outside, standing in a snow drift and waiting for Clark to do the same.
When he finally landed next to him, Bruce didn't look at him, just out at the waves crashing below them, illuminated dimly in the lights from the harbour.
"Bruce... I..."
Bruce cut him off by shaking his head and waving his hand at him.
"We can't meet like this again." He said with finality. "It's over."
"If this is because..."
"Just go home!" Bruce replied tersely. "Just... go."
He didn't look to see Clark's face, didn't know what he looked like as he stared at him for a long, cold moment, and then flew away.
"Goddamn it," Bruce whispered.
His voice sounded hollow... he felt empty, found himself kneeling in the snow, bending forward, trying to fight off the tears pricking his eyes.
"Fuck."
Bruce yanked off the cowl and covered his face in his hands, didn't know what to do with the sorrow tearing a new hole in his heart, let the tears bleed out until he was gasping in sobs, utterly spent and weary.
He howled at the uncaring sky and the god he never really believed in, until he had nothing left but raw nerves, pounding at the ground with his throbbing hand numb with the cold.
When he finally drove home, there weren't any tears left in him to shed.
He parked in the cave, threw his uniform in the garbage, and took a long, hot shower, and noted that his hand should be taken care of. It was turning angry, swollen black and blue, and Bruce was distantly aware that it hurt.
The bones felt bruised, but nothing broken or cracked, which did nothing to alleviate the anger now burning in his chest. At himself, more than anything.
Bruce dressed hastily in black slacks and a t-shirt, shrugging off the cave's chill until he walked upstairs into the front sitting-room.
Bart was waiting for him on the sofa, his arms crossed and his face drawn up as he looked away and didn't acknowledge Bruce's presence. Even as Bruce gently shut the clock entry with a heavy click, he didn't glance up. Bruce swallowed hard as anger was swept away with the return of a kind of sad desperation, and sat in the chair across from Bart, hugging his arms around himself.
"How could you, how could you?" Bart said, finally looking at him with glassy eyes. His lips were pressed hard together angrily, the lower poking out just a bit. "Ican'tevenIdon'teven... how could you?!"
They stared at each other, Bart's hands in little fists at his side. Bruce wanted to say that he was sorry, or defend himself, or even just tell Bart he was too young to understand. That these were adult things, complicated and messy.
All tangled together hopelessly.
He didn't say anything.
"I thought... you said... that he... and then... I can't..." Bart's voice faded and he began to cry quietly.
Bruce wanted to join him, wanted to show him he wasn't alone. Instead, he ended up sitting next to him on the couch, uncertainly wrapping one arm around his narrow shoulders.
"I miss him," Bart said quietly, sniffling a little.
"I miss him, too."
Bart's flung his arms around Bruce and began crying into his shirt. Bruce could do nothing but hold him, rubbing his back gently.
He would let Bart be angry at him later.
* * *
Alfred opened up the ballroom the next afternoon, quietly going about the business of preparing for company. A thin layer of dust was swept off the floor, shaken out of the drapes along the windows facing the gardens, brushed off the light fixtures.
Caterers were coming later, and the part-time staff would be arriving soon, to move long tables against the walls and deck them with flowers. But he took certain duties onto himself.
Bruce had been silent all day, and Bart had only muttered a few words as he ate his breakfast and left for Central City. Rushing about was hardly new for the boy, but he had a kind of different air to his haste, like he couldn't get far enough away fast enough.
Alfred wondered how long he would run away, as he often did these days.
When smiles and cheerful spirit had once again graced the halls of the manor, in a way so rare, it had been the answer to an unspoken wish. The boy he'd watched grow up sombre-eyed and steeled by tragedy had done the unthinkable and become truly happy, found some content place in a soul that had been, it seemed, without room for such things.
He'd watched a procession of lovers come and go, ultimately turned away with intention and regret, never to be seen again, or to be handled with the same delicacy of one of Bruce's more difficult business dealings. He never dared hope, or presume to do more than occasionally point out the futility of a life so led, in his way.
Years went by, and he stayed ever vigilant, and dared one thing; a wish.
That it had been granted once was a miracle. To hold on to that wish, for it to be granted again, seemed a distant impossibility.
Alfred began rubbing the occasional stray fingerprint off the glass of the windows, with a rag clutched in one hand, a bottle of Windex in the other, and his sleeves rolled up to the elbows. They were little fingerprints, those of a boy caught up in running away, and another who'd been doing it less literally for many years now.
They were, all of them, running, and somehow... always ended up back here, back where they'd begun.
A thumbprint vanished under a swipe of his cloth, and he sighed.
Perhaps, he wished unto the the distant sky, joy would come running back here, too.
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Chapter Eight: Fidelity
The present
There weren't any more sightings of the mysterious new figure in Gotham for a week.
And Bruce ran out of excuses to turn Clark away.
He thought about what he didn't know about his city, how that fact unsettled him, personified her in his mind, in a way far more vivid than before. Gotham was like a fickle mistress, her arms hiding his prey from his sight for... too long.
A tangle with the Riddler, and tonight, with Bane. Two down... many more to go.
Batman had to call in Superman for it, as much as his pride rebelled at the thought, but with Robin and Nightwing in Bludhaven and Batgirl in Amherst, as she was often these days, it left him with few options in a fight that quickly became uneven.
Perhaps it was distraction, a preoccupation of the mind that clouded his judgement, but he'd found himself dodging blows and debris, unable to find a swift resolution in his favour, and was waking Clark from his sleep in Metropolis.
Clark had responded immediately, arrived in moments and put an even faster end to Bane's destruction of a loading dock on the harbour.
Bruce stood next to Clark, watching the special task force take Bane away in heavy bindings, locked away in the back of an armoured van. One by one, the police left in their convoy, flashing lights and voices fading until they were out of sight and left only stillness and the sound of waves lapping against wood.
"You're welcome," Clark finally said.
Bruce wanted to retort something along the lines of not needing his help, but didn't. He wasn't sure what to say to him at all. Talking had never been the strong point of their relationship, and it was even less so now.
"I believe Plastic Man is ready for consideration for League membership."
"I read the report, Bruce."
Clark wrapped an arm around Bruce's waist and flew up into the air. Sometimes Bruce didn't mind, enjoyed the distance from Earth and humanity, alone in the clouds with lips on his skin trying to kiss the pain away.
But tonight all he felt was the chill of the winter gusts and shivered.
"Us mere mortals aren't built for the sky."
Clark gave him a long look.
"So it's like that tonight, is it?"
"Just put me down, Clark."
Bruce was almost surprised when they descended again and he was set on the ground next to the Batmobile.
"I can't promise I won't be chasing you home," Clark said with a little grin, his hand lingering on Bruce's waist before it pulled away.
"I'd never deign to tell Superman what to do," Bruce deadpanned, and got a laugh in response.
"No, never."
Sure enough, Clark was following the Batmobile back towards Brisol. Bruce stopped short of the manor, pulling off to the side of the road and retracted the canopy.
There were too many things there, at home, too many thoughts, too many memories.
Clark landed on top of him, didn't give him a chance to shut out the wind blowing in on top of them, but Clark's cape kept out the cold. Clark's hands tracing his armour and the tongue curling in his mouth brought beads of sweat under his cowl and made his heart beat faster in his chest.
Having Clark was like sleeping with a god, being utterly surrounded and overpowered, without hope or a consideration of escape.
Wally's birthday was tomorrow night. He couldn't help but think this was... wrong somehow...
And then Clark's hands worked their way under his waistband and he stopped thinking anything.
Bruce bucked up against their grip, groaned and helped him undress, pulling off those blue tights as his utility belt landed in the passenger seat and their own reclined back, giving them more space to writhe against each other, once boots and tights were draped half-hazardly over the console.
Clark leaned down and licked a scar across Bruce's thigh, then traced another along his hip with his tongue, long and jagged, his favourite one to give attention.
"I could spend eternity tasting your skin," Clark breathed into his stomach, "I could dedicate my life to mapping it's uncharted land."
"I hope you never plan to write romance novels," Bruce retorted, then gasped as Clark licked his erection and took it into his mouth. "Oh god..."
He didn't know how long it was until Clark pulled away, looking down at him triumphantly, only that it left him near the point of begging in helpless desire.
"I want something from you first," Clark said in a low voice, sucking on his index finger, then reaching down with it, pushing it into him in shallow, slow motions that made Bruce moan through gritted teeth. "Yes, just like that."
The ripples of pleasure were laced with sharp pricks of pain, and Bruce clung to both, merely grunted when Clark, distracted, pushed on his hip too hard, grabbed him with bruising force as he flipped him onto his stomach. He didn't care. He wanted to feel it, feel everything.
To Clark, he was fragile as a wine glass, ready to shatter at the wrong movement, break if pushed too hard.
He curled against the leather seat and breathed raggedly into it, the smell of it filling his nose. He could feel Clark trying to be gentle and slow as he pushed in with a shudder and a sigh.
Groaned with each prolonged thrust, arched against the iron grip he was lost in.
"Harder, damnit," he growled, pressing his forehead against the leather.
Superman complied.
Took him, until the pleasure and pain washed together and he was screaming himself hoarse and was deafened by his own voice, his mind blank, his fingers numb in their grip on the seat.
Until he came roughly, pushing Clark into an orgasm that made him press Bruce's ribs dangerously in his hands, made it hard to breathe, made it seem all like a very secondary concern.
He didn't care.
Bruce just let sensations ebb and flow through him, let Clark drape himself and his cape over his body and kiss the back of his neck.
"MisterWayneIheardthescreamingand..."
Bruce pushed Clark roughly off of him, slammed his hand into his chest, which he instantly regretted, holding it in the other as it throbbed, still finding the presence of mind to keep himself covered.
Bart was looking down at him with his eyes so wide they threatened to pop right out of his head, his mouth hanging open dumbly.
They stared at each other for a long, tense moment, until Clark coughed uncomfortably.
"Bart, go home. Wait for me there." He didn't move, despite the measure of authority Bruce managed to find in his voice, raw as it was, until he spoke again, his voice more ragged and uncertain. "Please."
He felt a lump forming hard and sharp in his throat, and didn't dare speak again, but Bart nodded, his expression shifting too fast for Bruce to follow.
And then he was gone.
Bruce's expression was rigid as he pulled away from Clark, cursing the open canopy and Clark and ever doing any of this under his breath as he yanked his clothes back on and crawled outside, standing in a snow drift and waiting for Clark to do the same.
When he finally landed next to him, Bruce didn't look at him, just out at the waves crashing below them, illuminated dimly in the lights from the harbour.
"Bruce... I..."
Bruce cut him off by shaking his head and waving his hand at him.
"We can't meet like this again." He said with finality. "It's over."
"If this is because..."
"Just go home!" Bruce replied tersely. "Just... go."
He didn't look to see Clark's face, didn't know what he looked like as he stared at him for a long, cold moment, and then flew away.
"Goddamn it," Bruce whispered.
His voice sounded hollow... he felt empty, found himself kneeling in the snow, bending forward, trying to fight off the tears pricking his eyes.
"Fuck."
Bruce yanked off the cowl and covered his face in his hands, didn't know what to do with the sorrow tearing a new hole in his heart, let the tears bleed out until he was gasping in sobs, utterly spent and weary.
He howled at the uncaring sky and the god he never really believed in, until he had nothing left but raw nerves, pounding at the ground with his throbbing hand numb with the cold.
When he finally drove home, there weren't any tears left in him to shed.
He parked in the cave, threw his uniform in the garbage, and took a long, hot shower, and noted that his hand should be taken care of. It was turning angry, swollen black and blue, and Bruce was distantly aware that it hurt.
The bones felt bruised, but nothing broken or cracked, which did nothing to alleviate the anger now burning in his chest. At himself, more than anything.
Bruce dressed hastily in black slacks and a t-shirt, shrugging off the cave's chill until he walked upstairs into the front sitting-room.
Bart was waiting for him on the sofa, his arms crossed and his face drawn up as he looked away and didn't acknowledge Bruce's presence. Even as Bruce gently shut the clock entry with a heavy click, he didn't glance up. Bruce swallowed hard as anger was swept away with the return of a kind of sad desperation, and sat in the chair across from Bart, hugging his arms around himself.
"How could you, how could you?" Bart said, finally looking at him with glassy eyes. His lips were pressed hard together angrily, the lower poking out just a bit. "Ican'tevenIdon'teven... how could you?!"
They stared at each other, Bart's hands in little fists at his side. Bruce wanted to say that he was sorry, or defend himself, or even just tell Bart he was too young to understand. That these were adult things, complicated and messy.
All tangled together hopelessly.
He didn't say anything.
"I thought... you said... that he... and then... I can't..." Bart's voice faded and he began to cry quietly.
Bruce wanted to join him, wanted to show him he wasn't alone. Instead, he ended up sitting next to him on the couch, uncertainly wrapping one arm around his narrow shoulders.
"I miss him," Bart said quietly, sniffling a little.
"I miss him, too."
Bart's flung his arms around Bruce and began crying into his shirt. Bruce could do nothing but hold him, rubbing his back gently.
He would let Bart be angry at him later.
Alfred opened up the ballroom the next afternoon, quietly going about the business of preparing for company. A thin layer of dust was swept off the floor, shaken out of the drapes along the windows facing the gardens, brushed off the light fixtures.
Caterers were coming later, and the part-time staff would be arriving soon, to move long tables against the walls and deck them with flowers. But he took certain duties onto himself.
Bruce had been silent all day, and Bart had only muttered a few words as he ate his breakfast and left for Central City. Rushing about was hardly new for the boy, but he had a kind of different air to his haste, like he couldn't get far enough away fast enough.
Alfred wondered how long he would run away, as he often did these days.
When smiles and cheerful spirit had once again graced the halls of the manor, in a way so rare, it had been the answer to an unspoken wish. The boy he'd watched grow up sombre-eyed and steeled by tragedy had done the unthinkable and become truly happy, found some content place in a soul that had been, it seemed, without room for such things.
He'd watched a procession of lovers come and go, ultimately turned away with intention and regret, never to be seen again, or to be handled with the same delicacy of one of Bruce's more difficult business dealings. He never dared hope, or presume to do more than occasionally point out the futility of a life so led, in his way.
Years went by, and he stayed ever vigilant, and dared one thing; a wish.
That it had been granted once was a miracle. To hold on to that wish, for it to be granted again, seemed a distant impossibility.
Alfred began rubbing the occasional stray fingerprint off the glass of the windows, with a rag clutched in one hand, a bottle of Windex in the other, and his sleeves rolled up to the elbows. They were little fingerprints, those of a boy caught up in running away, and another who'd been doing it less literally for many years now.
They were, all of them, running, and somehow... always ended up back here, back where they'd begun.
A thumbprint vanished under a swipe of his cloth, and he sighed.
Perhaps, he wished unto the the distant sky, joy would come running back here, too.
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on 2006-07-30 09:03 am (UTC)That was... poor Bruce. Poor Bart. Clark, you jackass. You complete and utter sanctimonious, selfcentered unmitigated bastard--wow. I just called Superman a bastard, and I don't feel a bit guilty about it.
Amazing part, beautifully done.
I love it.
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on 2006-07-30 09:16 am (UTC)Thank you very much. :)
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on 2006-07-30 09:27 am (UTC)"Kinda" an asshole? Victoria, he's damned near committing rape. On a regular basis. Of someone who's deep enough in grief that he's not functioning with an entirely full deck. That's more than "kinda". It does please me that you have plans.
You're most welcome!
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on 2006-07-30 09:31 am (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-30 09:44 am (UTC)*wrong icon, so reposted*
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on 2006-07-30 09:54 am (UTC)Clark doesn't think he's using Bruce; he genuinely thinks he's providing some kind of comfort, while at the same time getting what he wants, and Bruce isn't doing anything to show him any different. He's being cold and distant, which is hardly new.
Secondly, yes, alien-ness. I read his increasing dickery in JLU as a gradual disconnect from the rest of humanity; he'd become more "super" and less "man" and lost sight of it. A condition that has to get worse before it can get better and be visible, so Clark can see it in himself.
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on 2006-07-30 10:08 am (UTC)Yeah. Cold and distant is Bruce's default setting, after all.
*nods* I wondered if that might have something to do with it. I side with you on that reading of his behavior, too. I think it's the most reasonable explanation for what happens with him. ...Hopefully he gets slammed over the head with a cluex4 soon, so that he can start getting better.
(and this time it somehow posted in the wrong place.)
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on 2006-07-30 10:17 am (UTC)After reading things like Superman: For Tomorrow (bad as that was half the time) it becomes apparent just how easy it is for Clark to lose sight of his own humanity. When Clark's in touch with it, that's when he's really Superman. But that isn't where he is right now.
And now I have an image of a little Bat-gadget set at "cold and distant" with a little snowflake symbol...
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on 2006-07-30 10:33 am (UTC)Hm... good, good point. that is what makes Clark superman, and he's rapidly losing sight of it at the moment. I can't wait to see how you work with this.
*snicker* Oh, good grief. Now I do, too!
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on 2006-07-30 11:44 am (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-30 11:45 am (UTC)*Hugs Alfred*
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on 2006-07-30 01:08 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-30 02:00 pm (UTC)Firstly, let me say that I have been reading, enjoying, and looking forward to the updates since the first chapters of "A Flash By Any Other Name." I'd never read a Wally/Bruce before, and the pairing intrigued me. But this latest chapter just killed it for me. It killed any urge to re-read what came before, and it certainly ruined the urge to read any further developments.
Because your Clark? Isn't Clark. The mere fact that you have to justify his actions proves that fact. Superman is practically a rapist in this story and for you to have Clark Kent merrily use people for his own kicks is a disgusting sort of hackery that they don't even do in canon. And, I'm sorry, but you're tearing down a character that made both of your favorites a possibility in the first place. I'm not a Bruce/Clark shipper either, and hey, I don't even really like Superman. But I have no desire to read a fic in which the author has to bash another character in order to prove the "OMG OTPness" of their story. It's sloppy writing, particularly when it's so very Out of Character.
AS for the "alienness." Clark was raised a farm boy. So unless you want to argue that there's some genetic Kryptonian imprint for being an asshole/rapist, then this argument holds no water. Further, it's been shown many times in canon that Clark understands Batman quite well. And you really don't want to start quoting comic book canon, because your Clark is even further away from THAT Clark (try JLA #0 ) Clark isn't J'Onn, so if you're looking for an alien that doesn't understand humanity, you might want to start with someone who wasn't raised amongst them.
Your other arguments don't hold water either. "For Tomorrow" is generally regarded as trash, and everyone became an asshole towards the end of JLU season 5.
Finally, I know that this takes place in the animated continuity, so I leave you with this thought: the producers wanted to make Hro the "evil Hawkman" but DC wouldn't let them. They were told they could mess with continuity as much as they wanted, but they couldn't make Hawkman a villian. Now, insert Superman where Hawkman is above, and I hope you can understand my point.
This kind of dribble is the stuff that makes others roll their eyes at fan fic - character bashing for kicks, ignoring established characters, and pretty much rewriting the established characters so they can fuck. I honestly can't wrap my mind around why you would do this - but it feels very much like you're standing at the top of a hill screaming, "See! All those S/B fics were wrong! Bruce and Clark don't LOVE each other at all! How could Bruce ever love Clark, when the man who stands for truth and Justice is a rapist?" Frankly, it was unnecessary. This story never needed to be about Clark and Bruce, and dragging Clark into it solely in order to sully his character was unnecessary.
I'm sorry this is so long. But I disappointed because I expected better of you as an author. It's not a mistake I'll make in the future.
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on 2006-07-30 02:19 pm (UTC)I didn't write this thinking that. I didn't go in here thinking "Oh lookie what I'm going to do to Clark, ha-HA!" or anything.
Obviously you read the comments above, well, good. In that, I point out very clearly that Bruce has done absolutely nothing in this story to make Clark think he doesn't want every single second of this. In fact, the contrary. He's invited him in at every turn, and yes, does enjoy the sex. ::gasp::
I've been in Bruce's situation. I had this Clark in my life. He wasn't a bad person. I'm not making Clark out to be a bad person. I know I'm not writing this like the normal happy Bruce/Clark, but damn. I didn't change the character to "just so they could fuck" at all. This whole storyline wasn't even my idea. It was given to me by someone else, and I ran with it. Someone else, I might add, that is a big Bruce/Clark person.
This wasn't meant as a bash to anyone. I really love this story, and I love all of my characters, EVEN HIM.
I'm sorry you couldn't reply with your name or contact me by email, but I will leave this comment here so people can make up their own minds about it.
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on 2006-07-30 05:27 pm (UTC)Thanks for playing.
And now my garbled comment that makes no sense.
on 2006-07-30 02:05 pm (UTC)But, oh, the ANGST. God, that is just painful. The whole situation is oh-my-god and ;_;. Bruce on his knees and everything, making it so much more human than it is in the comics aaagh. You did this beautifully.
Also, props for the last line because it sounds like something out of a children's nursery rhyme.
... a really, really sad nursery rhyme.
Re: And now my garbled comment that makes no sense.
on 2006-07-30 06:47 pm (UTC)Thank you, I had sexy fun throwing Bruce asking for more.
You wanted angst, honey, you've got angst. What can I say? :D
Oh, and, really? Cool, heh.
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on 2006-07-30 02:22 pm (UTC)Damn. This just hurts so much but it's so good!
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on 2006-07-30 06:18 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-30 06:31 pm (UTC)I saw all this, too, and despite a few reservations, I went for it, anyway. I even said, just before I posted it, "I can't believe I wrote this."
But damned if it didn't work for me. So thank you again, I appreciate it.
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on 2006-07-30 06:42 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-30 06:44 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-30 06:45 pm (UTC)Bring back the happy. Please.
But at least you make it hurt so good.
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on 2006-07-30 08:20 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-30 09:37 pm (UTC)Lordy, but that commenter was off the mark. I would not classify this as rape at all. Unhealthy sex? Probably. Been there, done that. But the automatic assumption that Superman was a rapist is one I can't support. Batman consented to everything, either implicitly or explicitly. Even if a sexual relationship wasn't good for the two of them, I don't see it as being forced on anyone's part. The fact that Batman registers Superman as being an overwhelming force doesn't make it rape either. Being with a overpowering lover or one who enjoys some tremendous advantage over you doesn't mean that you are incapable of consent. Sometimes it just means you have a kink for being dominated in that manner. So, bad for Batman? Yeah. Bad from a moral/legal perspective? Nope.
Second, Supes-raised-by-humans=/=Supes-is-human. I'm human, raised by humans, but don't act very human at times because my brain simply isn't wired correctly. To be honest, I think a lot of writers simply choose to portray Superman as a big blue boy scout and ignore the tasty possibilities inherent in portraying someone whose biological instincts may lead him into conflict with his upbringing. In fact, the contrast between Batman (started human, has become something arguably not, mentally and persona-wise) and Superman (started alien and tries his damnedest to be human) is one of the things that attracted me to the pairing. I'm not saying that there's a "Kryptonian imprint for being an asshole/rapist"; I'm saying that Kryptonian impulses regarding basic functions like reproduction and emotional response may be entirely different from a human's. In the hands of a mature and competent writer, examination of this difference can be thought-provoking and interesting.
In conclusion, go you! I don't agree with this commenter and think that the series as it stands is fascinating. BTW, I'm friending you.
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on 2006-07-30 09:46 pm (UTC)As I mentioned around somewhere, my first Superman books were John Byrne's The Man of Steel, and oh man were Kryptonians nothing like humans. They were emotionally distant (and emotionally crippled, really) living in a sterile culture where the word "love" had no meaning and babies were made in tubes.
It's a miracle a guy from that race could understand humanity on any level. While in the DCAU it's a little different, and they were later retconned into being more warm and friendly in the comics, they never quite lost the overwhelming different-ness as a people. And yeah, I think that effects Clark a lot more than is really explored much. But I like digging up the dark sides of people and seeing what's there.
Thank you again, I'm glad you're enjoying my work. :)
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on 2006-07-30 11:31 pm (UTC)He doesn't understand sex because he doesn't physically respond to human women or anything at all, really. He doesn't understand human motivations or emotions, and completely misses body language. He fights crime because it provides him with some kind of a social life. He can't eat human food and his apartment is hot as a sauna and stinks of ammonia, which he regards as a pleasant air freshener. When someone threatens his identity, he decides not to kill her, but only because it would destroy his self-image of himself as a hero. The story was very, very creepy.
Plus, reading "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" at a young age will tend to warp the way you think of Big Blue.
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on 2006-07-30 11:36 pm (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-30 11:09 pm (UTC)Bruce, you HAVE to explain THIS MESS to the 4-slash-14-year-old son-slash-nephew of your possibly-dead-possibly-disappeared-forever boyfriend/lover/domestic partner, caused by your fucked up grieving process.
At the risk of inflaming the issue further, Brucie you idiot you're gonna have to apologize to Clark for using him in that process! And Clark is gonna have to apologize for being a flakey oblivious rebound-just-ASKING-for-it and
ARGH. Chapter nine, now-soon-please?
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on 2006-07-30 11:40 pm (UTC)When I do keep going, I think you're going to be waiting for Chapter Ten to see any more of the present. Sorry. I've been neglecting Wally. ::pets the Wally::
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on 2006-07-31 02:59 am (UTC)Chapter nine! soon now soon now please now soon?
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on 2006-07-31 03:02 am (UTC)no subject
on 2006-07-31 03:35 am (UTC)And not that this probably means much, coming from somebody you don't even know, but I certainly haven't been interpreted your Bruce/Clark relationship as anything close to that anonymous poster above. I'm not a big fan of Bruce/Clark, and probably even less so in this case, but I'm willing to wait it out and see where you are going with it. I can totally understand it from Bruce's point of view, but I have hope that it'll all work out okay.
In other comments--poor Bart! You're breaking my heart! :(
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on 2006-07-31 03:47 am (UTC)Thank you for your input. And yeah. I won't forget about Bart; I mean, how could I? Poor thing. Really. Bringing him into this was such a debate and I ended up having someone else decide for me, haha. Oh, cop-out. I won't even deny that, heh.
Everything, in the end, will be okay. I might have to end this and right obscene amounts of crack for the next decade, but it will.
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on 2006-08-01 10:25 pm (UTC)Chronology
When I saw the first chapter of the sequel posted I think I lost my breath, I was so excited. Would I have 30+ chapters to look forward to? Me and my girlfriend held hands and danced in anticipation. It's been a little bit of a rough ride though. I'm a big fan of yours, but I have to admit I have my opinions about Chronology. I read you got a lot of the ideas for it from a friend, and I really would have liked to see what you would have written without your friend's ideas. After reading Chp 8 I was left wondering where Flash was. Not that he has to be in every chapter or anything like that, but he seems to be getting lost in the cast of characters that seems to be ever growing. Time travel is a tricky business to write around, and I think you're doing a really neat job with it. But I worry that you may be trying to introduce too many characters. When Flash is in the scene it doesn't seem like he's the main character, and it doesn't feel like he's thinking about Bruce as much as I want him to. I don't feel nearly as connected to him as I did in A Flash by any Other Name. On another note, I was wondering why Flash doesn't time travel back to Bruce and let him know what's going on, or is it they can't time travel with a great deal of accuracy? I don't know, the story seems a little bit forced, the characters don't seem to be writing themselves as naturally as before.
Sorry, I tried to voice my concerns without sounding like another disgruntled fan. I hope I haven't discouraged you at all. We're checking your journal daily always eagerly anticipating the next chapter. I'm sure whatever you decide to write will continue inspire my fanart. I really love the way you write Bart, a character who I didn't even know existed before you wrote him. Now my girlfriend has Lightning in a Bottle and I'm bugging her to let me read them.
It seems like a few people are complaining about the Clark x Bruce pairing, and while I don't really buy a relationship between them based on canon I don't feel like you're writing them out of character. I think the way they're reacting to the situation is true to their personalities. I don't get why everyone's angry at Clark. I guess everyone just likes Batman better, not that I'm any different.
I wonder whether you will introduce some kind of villian for the characters to narrow in on. I thought Maxwell Brannock really helped to keep the story more focused and it made the story feel like it had been really well thought out and carefully planned. Like I said before, Chronology is starting to feel a little forced.
Sorry, I keep meaning to end this post and stop typing. I am currently drawing my favorite scene from this chapter, Bart and Bruce together. Oh, and I love the way you write Alfred too. He's another character I never really thought much about till I read the way you wrote him. So, I hope I didn't come off sounding like a knowitall jerk or something, because I'm really a big fan and I love your stuff. Please keep it coming <3
Sorry for the long post,
A Bashful Boy.
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on 2006-08-02 04:13 am (UTC)A TPB that has my favourite collected version of Bart is World Without Grownups, which I have... and might be persuaded to put up in pieces or entirety, it's kinda long. ::grin::
Honestly, I have no idea how this would have turned out with suggestions. I was full of ideas with no... ways to tie it all together, and I needed a leg-up. Eventually could I have done something? Oh sure. But I was wicked impatient and being fed bunnies. ::laughs::
Both of them have their respective villains. Bruce has Jason, which will be an ongoing thing, and Wally has Savitar... once he actually finds him.
Right now, Wally is still working on being able to travel by himself. I'm basing it on the first few times Wally travelled through time... which, because he didn't really know how to, almost killed him a few times, and made a big mess. That's what I'm trying to put in there, anyway. :)
Thanks for all that, really. And I can't wait to see what you draw, that's wicked exciting. ::grin::
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on 2006-08-02 05:31 am (UTC)